Inductive Bible Study Methods is a class I'm taking this semester. As you have alluded to here pretty well....it is a tough class.
Odgie
· 1 year ago
Good post, and one that hit me where I live. I am often tempted to stop at interpretation because when I realize what Jesus commands, the application becomes frightening.
Brad Ruggles
· 1 year ago
Living a life that's bigger than ourselves and making a difference in the world around us - that's a goal we should all have. Easier to talk about than actually do though.
Great post.
jon mark
· 1 year ago
that whole thing about being doers of the word and not hearers only...
our message this past sunday was about peter getting out of the boat...we've all heard it...but the "application" part was that living the life of a Christ follower takes risk and it takes ACTION...
great post, even though it took forever and a baby to get here...
Brandy
· 1 year ago
oy.
this is all very hard hitting and so good! Lots to think about.
I can relate to trying to apply my thoughts and observations onto someone else without actually applying it to my own life. Why? I always feel like I don't have time so why bother, but THIS person over here, they have time so why not them if not me? Makes no sense, but still, it's what I do. I think it's what a lot of people do.
Very convicting stuff preacher man. ;-)
"it took forever and a baby to get here..." HAHAHAHA!!!!! :lol: :lol: I love it!
tam
· 1 year ago
no baby guys. no baby!
jon mark
· 1 year ago
did i say baby??? i meant day???
Casey Ross
· 1 year ago
Hey man! Great thoughts! Thanks for the mention. I am such a do-er...which can get me in trouble from time to time. But I have a hard time with people who are not do-ers. I think it is too easy and too cool to be labeled a thinker today. When I look around, the real leaders are the do-ers. If you're not doing something, how can you be a leader. And for that matter, how can you be a Christian if you're not a doer?
Indian Lake Papa
· 1 year ago
Wait until you meet us - we are (yawn) boring - can barely move - get up about lunch time - then take a nap - dinner by then - and then go to bed - just too old Brent!
I 'm glad to see that the Wed. PM lesson is up on the TRF website, so I'll be adding it to my listening (and DOING -- James 1:22 =) schedule soon. (We have link group on Wednesdays still).
Yes, God can't effectively speak THROUGH us until we have allowed Him to speak TO us (and APPLY, if needed, the same word in our own lives first). That has always been my desire, and I hope, practice. Yet, 'specks' as well as 'logs' still need removing and Jesus advocates it as long as it is done in the correct order (looking inward BEFORE outward) - Mt. 7:5.
D-
inworship
· 1 year ago
Tyler, I bet the process of inductive study would be intense!
Odgie, the fear is what can stop us. But living this way can also mean that He is totally in control, cause it's not something that we can do on our own.
Brad, exactly. The application is always the hardest thing.
jonmark, it really takes risk, doesn't it. And babies :)
Brandy, for me its easy to "enforce" my interpretation on others, cause I think it's right. When often, it is just a nugget in my own process of learning.
Casey, you understand. The overemphasis of doing is, in a way, running blind. But the inactivity is very telling. thanks for your great thoughts at your blog!
Papa, whatever :)
D, Exactly. it is all about self evaluation. It is all about the Spirit revealing in our lives. it is all about listening, understanding and then doing. Application has very little to do with pointing at something. it has everything to do with accepting and acting.
love
· 1 year ago
great post - hits very close to 'home' here. i have an 'observation' about observation though.
Very few if any of us can do it... instead of observe, we perceive. Intead of observation we get or 'do' perception.
To clarify, if we see someone else's behaviour we don't merely watch - we use perception and involve our 'self' in that - often making judgement - on 'them', or on us.
If we try to observe ourself our mind wanders and is too easily distracted to simply observe in as much clarity and totality as we might have.
This poor observation is then compounded by poor interpretation because we d onot ever SEE what IS - but what we think it is - our perception - or mis-perception if we were not paying all due attention at the moment.
Poor observation and bad interpretation will result in crap application.
WE all need to learn to crawl before we can Walk.
It starts with careful and unbiased and accurate DEEP observation - not just what appars on the surface of our own perceptions.
Did i tie that in with your post on perception nicely??
As for observation i believe we need to 'develop' a place we reserve in our consciousness to fully and completely observe ourselves 'in action' seeing how our thoughts 'move', are started in us; how they are affected by, or caused from, our emotions, or cause them to rise and the effects those have in turn, and seeing how those thing 'link to our 'baggage'.
Observation is very important and it is necessary for us to learn how to become a 'passive observer' and not get involved in the actions, but to stay detached from what we are observing within and without of us so as to better see how we are of the earth so that we can learn how to better become just on it, while in our spirit we become no longer of Earth, but of Him.
Love, right on. We need to know how to observe ourselves first. Doing this allows our observations to come from a less biased placed. Knowing that when we observe, we can trick ourselves and fool ourselves into seeing or hearing only what we want or desire. Knowing our weaknesses and biases can encourage more honest and unfiltered observation.
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Great post.
our message this past sunday was about peter getting out of the boat...we've all heard it...but the "application" part was that living the life of a Christ follower takes risk and it takes ACTION...
great post, even though it took forever and a baby to get here...
this is all very hard hitting and so good! Lots to think about.
I can relate to trying to apply my thoughts and observations onto someone else without actually applying it to my own life. Why? I always feel like I don't have time so why bother, but THIS person over here, they have time so why not them if not me? Makes no sense, but still, it's what I do. I think it's what a lot of people do.
Very convicting stuff preacher man. ;-)
"it took forever and a baby to get here..." HAHAHAHA!!!!! :lol: :lol: I love it!
Indian Lake Papa's last blog post...John Deere vs. Scotts ! Scotts the winner!!
Yes, God can't effectively speak THROUGH us until we have allowed Him to speak TO us (and APPLY, if needed, the same word in our own lives first). That has always been my desire, and I hope, practice.
Yet, 'specks' as well as 'logs' still need removing and Jesus advocates it as long as it is done in the correct order (looking inward BEFORE outward) - Mt. 7:5.
D-
Odgie, the fear is what can stop us. But living this way can also mean that He is totally in control, cause it's not something that we can do on our own.
Brad, exactly. The application is always the hardest thing.
jonmark, it really takes risk, doesn't it. And babies :)
Brandy, for me its easy to "enforce" my interpretation on others, cause I think it's right. When often, it is just a nugget in my own process of learning.
Casey, you understand. The overemphasis of doing is, in a way, running blind. But the inactivity is very telling. thanks for your great thoughts at your blog!
Papa, whatever :)
D, Exactly. it is all about self evaluation. It is all about the Spirit revealing in our lives. it is all about listening, understanding and then doing. Application has very little to do with pointing at something. it has everything to do with accepting and acting.
i have an 'observation' about observation though.
Very few if any of us can do it... instead of observe, we perceive. Intead of observation we get or 'do' perception.
To clarify, if we see someone else's behaviour we don't merely watch - we use perception and involve our 'self' in that - often making judgement - on 'them', or on us.
If we try to observe ourself our mind wanders and is too easily distracted to simply observe in as much clarity and totality as we might have.
This poor observation is then compounded by poor interpretation because we d onot ever SEE what IS - but what we think it is - our perception - or mis-perception if we were not paying all due attention at the moment.
Poor observation and bad interpretation will result in crap application.
WE all need to learn to crawl before we can Walk.
It starts with careful and unbiased and accurate DEEP observation - not just what appars on the surface of our own perceptions.
Did i tie that in with your post on perception nicely??
As for observation i believe we need to 'develop' a place we reserve in our consciousness to fully and completely observe ourselves 'in action' seeing how our thoughts 'move', are started in us; how they are affected by, or caused from, our emotions, or cause them to rise and the effects those have in turn, and seeing how those thing 'link to our 'baggage'.
Observation is very important and it is necessary for us to learn how to become a 'passive observer' and not get involved in the actions, but to stay detached from what we are observing within and without of us so as to better see how we are of the earth so that we can learn how to better become just on it, while in our spirit we become no longer of Earth, but of Him.
way deep - i know.:roll:
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